Shires has released seven solo albums starting in 2005, her most recent being Take It Like a Man in 2022. How are we going to police that? Click the audio link above to get the full experience, On channeling her feelings about her marriage into writing Fault Lines and showing it to Isbell, I went and I sat down in my barn of internal wandering, and this is after some kind of nebulous argument, and I wrote Fault Lines and then I texted it to him, just like youd imagine, I said, I just wrote this song. And then in my mind I thought, Well, if he couldnt hear the frequency of my voice before, maybe he could hear it through music, you know? AMANDA SHIRES: (Singing) Youre leaving now through the hole of an argument. (In "Wasn't I Paying Attention," a tale of dramatically staged, small-town suicide, for example, the way she sings the word "attention" amplifies the narrator's unsettled state.) "I did a parking lot pirouette / I said, 'You're right I'm not done with you yet.'" And sometimes Tommy would show me stuff on guitar, like a melody to play, and then see if I could memorize it or retain it or whatever. It seems like a simple thing to say, but its really true. I like to play pool, he says. GROSS: Well, in 2020, you and your husband, Jason Isbell, recorded a duet of a song you wrote called The Problem. And the song is from the perspective of a teenage couple. It makes it feel like youre tough enough for the fight, all the way down to your bones. So she did daytime job. The way she relaxes into low notes on that last line makes it sound far more like an unembarrassed confession than a complaint. GROSS: What I hear in your voice is that it rings out. Roberta Shorrock directs the show. So I started just taking notes on the radio because I heard it. I had no problem taking direction, but and I had no problem helping when I needed to help, so. When the ball goes in the pocket, you win. Writing songs isnt so cut and dried, he says. Whereas before, I would just, in my mind, wish it was something different like Etta James or something. McWhorter, who had played fiddle in Bob Wills band, became her teacher, and when Shires was just 15, he asked her to join The Texas Playboys. I know what the cost is in the octaves of consequence. In an interview on MSNBC Monday, Isbell stated the response he has received from people who work at the venues and in the music business has been positive because they understand we could go back to not working at all, adding that smaller venues might not be able to reopen if they go through another round of shutdowns. I never wouldve thought that before, but now I know its true. I am Terry Gross. GROSS: Whoa. Where does that get us with our Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights? But one time, you know, not everybody could make a show. Is that right? Cancelling shows feels awful, I know. SHIRES: But I like it because I like to imagine like, if he was alive and I got to play this for him, I would be singing Im your Amanda. Likewise, the changes underway to the Supreme Court after the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg could also mean that abortion rights will come under fire nationally. So Amanda, you took fiddle lessons from Frankie McWhorter, who played with Bob Wills & The Texas Playboys from 60 to 62 62 was the year that Bob Wills had a heart attack and retired for a long time from music. 825 Eighth Avenue, New York, NY 10019, WNET is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization. You had an abortion. And after we recorded it, he said, Thats a really good song. And I said, Thats all you have to say. And then my orchestra teacher recommended me to a private violin teacher. I dont understand why its such a big issue, as big of an issue as it is. ISBELL: (Singing) Im on your side. Her study essentially proves that when folks cant have an abortion, it affects their mental health, their economic standing, their overall well-being. While the idea was mine, it wasnt only me that made this Highwomen be a thing. When youre trying to make a tough decision, you need a lot of support. Lets get back to my interview with singer-songwriter and musician Amanda Shires. GROSS: So you ended up, like, accompanying him. SHIRES: Oh, yes, Mercy is my daughter. I know I can take it like Amanda. And Bob Wills was, like, the father of Western Swing, which combined country music and jazz. So hold on to your thoughts. Shires has an MFA in poetry, and she's exacting in her use of imagery to portray sensuality as a force both internal and physical. SHIRES: But some of the words are funny. And you got your start professionally at age 15 playing fiddle with the Texas Playboys. Jason Isbell and his wife, Amanda Shires, were walking around last weekend in Newport, Rhode Island, where they played the Newport Folk Festival. Amanda Shires is in Serious Trouble in Hawk for the Dove Fallon Performance But I think she probably knew. We found music, and then being in the Shoals area just gave us an early look at all the places music can take you. It felt like maybe wed both leave at the same time. I got up to sing, and I was like, oh, crap. Bridget Bentz, Molly Seavy-Nesper and Kitty Eisele adapted it for the web. And I had been internally bleeding for a whole lot of hours. Amanda Shires, performing during the Americana Awards at Ryman Auditorium on Sept. 22, 2021 in Nashville. Weve had legal abortions for 50 years and now, suddenly, a long-held right will be illegal. Editors picks Musician Adia Victoria also tweeted at Isbell and praised the artist for continuing to put the health and safety ofhis crew, my band, venue employees and fans first and foremost, to which he replied with three heart emojis. GROSS: Oh, thats so funny. It just seemed like the right thing to do because I dont want to spend my time on stage worried about if Im making people sick.. SHIRES: And I think Sheryl Crow plays bass on that one. For my children, I did what I had to do. Here was my life five years ago, and heres my life now. Amid the rise in infections, it was reported last week that one of the worlds most prominent concert promoters, Live Nation, will allow artists performing at its venues to require guests in the U.S. to show proof of vaccination or a negative Covid-19 test. People forget that, if you take away access to reproductive healthcare, youre going to be killing moms like me. Victoria is scheduled to open for Isbell on this tour. Its as opposed to being in the uterus, where it belongs. When the band step back from their microphones to begin the extended breakdown, Isbell smiles like a boy on a great adventure. Theyve ended shows with Neil Youngs Like a Hurricane or Van Morrisons Into the Mystic. Tonight its the Rolling Stones Cant You Hear Me Knocking, and its ecstatic. I recorded my interview with her last week. But if you dont, youre going to be wondering, What didnt I do? Ive been around so many people for so long who were. Singer, songwriter and fiddle player Amanda Shires still remembers the moment she fell in love with the fiddle. Jason Isbell, Amanda Shires to Serve as Record Store Days 2023 Ambassadors. GROSS: Without him asking? SHIRES: I dont know that well, I dont know that I was going to leave or that Jason was going to leave. SHIRES: I mean OK Im going to call her up after this, too. For the latest news, follow us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. And from there, he introduced me to Frankie McWhorter. If youre just joining us, my guest is songwriter, singer, musician Amanda Shires. And so I got to do that basically because I was willing to work in a group and play a part and do just that thing and show up on time. Fellow singer/songwriter Aimee Mann tweeted well wishes to Isbell: Im so sorry. You can just say Im crazy. Because once you have a baby, theres no social programming to help. In a new interview, Shires who returns with her latest album Take It Like a Man in July goes deeper into her own experiences and calls on artists, especially those in Nashville, to start using the platforms theyve been given. My best hope is that people continue to get angrier and that the folks who have been fighting so hard for so long, and are already tired, find some strength to keep fighting and also to mobilize others, especially youth, along the way. You can keep the car and the house. Being from Muscle Shoals is kind of like having a cool tattoo or something., After getting sober, writing and recording the new album felt more natural to me, says Isbell, lighting a cigarette as seagulls caw overhead. Why not? We want to hear it. Members get extended access to PBS video on demand and more. I hope youll join us. And she also plays in her husband, Jason Isbells, band. Trump Melts Down Over Murdoch Admitting Fox Lied About Election Fraud, If you say those things out loud, it makes a difference. Subscribe: http://bit.ly/1lq9aEQTour the Ryman: http://bit.ly/tourtherymanVisit the Ryman Calendar: http://bit.ly/rymanconcertsAbout the Ryman Auditorium:Established in 1982 as the Union Gospel Tabernacle and renamed for the visionary who constructed it, Captain Tom G. Ryman, the Ryman Auditorium is a National Historic Landmark and cultural epicenter of Nashville, TN. But I had about seven different album sequences going on. Is there a song that youd like to do? (SOUNDBITE OF AMANDA SHIRES SONG, HAWK FOR THE DOVE), GROSS: Our digital media producer is Molly Seavy-Nesper. And here it sits. It de-stigmatizes the conversation. After Isbell announced last week that he would require enhanced Covid countermeasures at his show in Austin, Texas, singer-songwriter Marc Broussard took to Twitter to lash out at Isbell, calling him bourgeois and elitist. Broussard asserted, Some working-class fans cant afford the risks associated with either the vaccines or even getting a test, adding, Id rather quit music than become a pawn in the pressure campaign. He did not provide any evidence of the risks he claimed were associated with getting the jab or receiving a test. I would she would set us up in the in the closet of the bail bonds office. However, Rapinos memo notes that Live Nation and artists can only make vaccines a requirement where permitted by law. Artists performing at government-operated venues in states where lawmakers have prohibited vaccine mandates will be prohibited from enforcing such measures. And I also want to thank Zack Sedgefield for playing guitar and also Diana Walsh, who engineered your end of the music and the conversation from your home studio in well, outside of Nashville. SHIRES: On August 9, yes, I was in Texas at Austin City Limits. It was Fault Lines.. Say whatever feels better or whatever. They do tell you that going out and helping other people really helps you a lot. And I said, Id love to. And then my mom would drive me down there. And I know that he likes to help. When I wrote my first piece for Rolling Stone, Id had an abortion before. How did you come up with the image of my hands are two empty cups? In the past, white men have said otherwise. And I kept imagining, like, how I had nothing left to give and nothing I could do or say to make anything feel right, like, within me somehow. But I thought, what am I going to do about that in the event that she does go into country music? It's a sentiment that Shires has echoed many times since. In a June 2022 follow-up, the artist detailed for Rolling Stone her experience of ending a life-threatening ectopic pregnancy in August 2021. The players in the band, they took me seriously as a player, but they also understood that I was a kid.. Im Terry Gross. I want to talk with you about The Highwomen. Related Or did you keep the songs, like, kind of secret for a while? It rings out like its supposed to. In 2017, for her solo work, she was named emerging artist of the year at the Americana Music & Honors Awards ceremony. SHIRES: (Singing) Trying not to think of names. Which would I rather have? What happened between now and then? GROSS: That your Father had spent 25 years in Alcatraz? Like, do you say, hey, honey, heres a song I wrote about how bad things are between us right now? And usually that works. But whatever. Its an often-times divisive topic, and I dont want to bring any hurt to my family by doing something like putting out a song about this topic, but I lost all that fear when I got angry. Wherever you get that support whether in a relationship or friends no matter what you believe, you can believe to support somebody through something hard.. 99.99%. This part of my life and our marriage was difficult and it took me back to the reason I came to writing and doing music in the first place, which is expression, she says. photos by @alyssegafkjen Become a member of WLIW ($5 monthly or $60 annually) and get access to WLIW Passport as our thanks for your support. And if you want another kind of love, Ill wear a mask for you. And I said, I dont know. And then I asked Chance, and Chance was like, no, those are real documents. SHIRES: Oh, right, in Alcatraz. And because I was in the time of my life where I was having a disconnect in my marriage and not feeling great in with music but I discovered that it takes a lot to be vulnerable, and it takes a lot to talk to folks and to understand each other. SHIRES: (Singing) I was a healer. But it was true. Moon, in all your splendor. Elizaveta Porodina/Courtesy of the artist Like, I know that in all of the searching that he did still believe that there was something bigger out there, so I dont have to go trying to learn all these other things. These really arent personal. All rights reserved (About Us). Then Im like, This is coming out now., Jason Isbell on the Art of the Livestream, Supporting Indie Record Stores, and That Feral Hogs Meme, Devon Gilfillian to Cover Marvin Gaye's 'What's Going On' With Jason Isbell, Grace Potter, Jason Isbell Blasts Van Morrison, Covers 'Into the Mystic'. What made you think of yourself as his disciple? Maybe I was asking for a little too much. And it took me back to the reason I came to writing and doing music in the first place, which is expression and trying to do something for me that could make me make sense, I guess. However, you can still listen with the Spotify or Apple Music playlist at the bottom of the page. Then I told my friend Dave Cobb about my idea and he really liked it, and he said, Im going to have you meet Brandi Carlile. A person having a miscarriage may have to fly to another state, just so they or their doctor doesnt get into legal trouble. And so you know Ill say, I dont know, but no ones going to be asking me. I cant see a thing from here. And I was trying to sing that song A Little Walk With You (ph). The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Advance Local. When her distinctive vibrato appears on To the Sunset, as a subtle emotive tool or punctuation in her storytelling, it feels like an electrical charge shuddering through the live wire of her voice. You can call it serious trouble cause thats what I want. I just fell in love with the music, is what happened. So either you have surgery or I think you die. 2023 Advance Local Media LLC. hide caption. Im glad to hear it. If you purchase a product or register for an account through one of the links on our site, we may receive compensation. The sound of silence rings in every room. SHIRES: Honestly, a lot of times, my thoughts come to me just in pictures. SHIRES: Thats all you have to say? And she was like, I had no idea. And I was really into that.. So to give listeners a sense of Bob Wills & The Texas Playboys, listeners who dont know who they are, this is a classic 1940 recording of New San Antonio Rose., (SOUNDBITE OF SONG, NEW SAN ANTONIO ROSE), BOB WILLS AND HIS TEXAS PLAYBOYS: (Singing) Deep within my heart lies a melody, a song of old San Antone (ph) San Antone where in dreams I live with a memory beneath the stars, all alone. So lets do that. So since they are personal songs, you had to decide to say that. SHIRES: I mean, I think theyre pretty good. Do you think God still sees me, coming out of this twilight sleep? she asks, before the band carries the song out with a powerful extended coda. Theres so much attached to folks thinking women treat it as a kind of birth control. During the #MeToo moment, much emphasis has been rightly placed on the need for women to guard themselves against the unrestrained appetites of male perpetrators. Well definitely get to your verse, which is the second one. And I was like, my granddad was in Alcatraz? The 500 Greatest Songs of All Time If youre just joining us, my guest is songwriter, singer and musician Amanda Shires, and her latest album is called Take It Like A Man. Well be right back. I know I can take it like a man. But this part of my life in our marriage was difficult. And that, to me, was incredible, because they had abortions in what was a pre-Roe v. Wade environment and theyre only now sharing their stories for the first time. Its no fun but well be alright.. And we would be quiet so that she wouldnt get in trouble because it was a lot then to be a single mom and deal with the difference in pay for men versus women. And I said, OK. And then I fell in love. And because of that, I felt like we should make it something thats as safe as it can possibly be. Another is a freedom rider who died during the Freedom Rides. I know the cost of flight is landing. 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