Finally, after 20+ times I was able to reach Edd. I got the thank you message and pressed 131620. Had to wait 28 minutes but it was worth it. Turns out my employer still hasnt responded to the interviewer trying to contact them & that the interviewer has 10 days to submit an answer either way. Thats what happens when too many people are calling in. Its been 3 weeks and I havent heard a peep . I cant believe I spoke to human. This time I called them from home and after 2 dropped calls was able to get through to a live person. help us !!!!!!!!!!!! A very nice lady said I should have received a call back by now so she put in another call back request for me. I tried the Orange County line today (2/8/21) and got through. When I heard a voice I was so excited I threw my project!!!! 213-477-1406 I referred my brother to the 415 number however the number dont work now 5/7 ? thank you!!!!! Thank you for sharing the number combinations and I tried all of them I never got in always the prerecorded. Called 1-916-654-9140 asked for EDD, explained that I have been getting disconnected all week while calling the main line before noon, and the online system says not eligible to file claim at this time a live person answered quickly, told me to call back the next business day in the morning and they will put me through to a live person. Eventually it will put me in the hold queue.. THEY GOT MY CLAIM FILED UNDER A DIFFERENT SSN. When you hear the prompt press 0 as many times as it lets you until it has a busy sound. Disability Assistance Assistance Programs Cash Assistance Disability Assistance State Disability Assistance (SDA) provides cash assistance to eligible & disabled adults. this is so frustrating! I have been trying to do exactly what you did(an hour now) and still cant get through! Then comes the hold time Ive had from a 10 min 58 min hold time. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Worked perfectly, came up with a 19 min wait but it had the option to call me back when my turn was available. Try again tomorrow. Yes its true!! I called this 415-351-7200 around 8am Also keep in mind that California currently owes billions in back debt for unpaid unemployment. Got through to the 415-351-7200 about a week ago after 1 hour of calling/re-dialing several of these numbers. Thank you for sharing! 1406 Comments Lilia 4/17/2013 09:52:36 am Havent seen any activity on my account, let alone I havent received one dime since I filed and Im owed $8,000.00 backlog pay. I hope this helps. EDD disability phone number. I mailed in all of my verification documents on April 15th. (It had locked me out.) thank you, Thank you to all the people to post how to get through the automated system with the prompts without listening the whole recording, It was driving me crazy. A lot of people dont realize that the extension will add to your balance but the claim its self is only good for 12 month unless is it a DUA (disaster unemployment assistance) claim type which changes the end date of claims to September. A total waste! I tried to get through yesterday before using this trick. called back, on hold with person #1 for 30 mins, got transferred to 2nd person (supervisor), still on hold, going on 2 hours. Thanks for the tip!! I would start calling every number above until you get through to a human. The last 0 cuts through the last bit about having info ready. Had the nicest rep who identified and fixed my issues right away. Disability Tax Benefits I been sick to my stomach over a week trying reach them on the 800-300-5616 because my claim showed disqualified and that was incorrect so anyway I came across your page last night and got started at 9am and it took me a few hours but the phone number 619-525-4995 someone answered that phone so when it says press 0 if you want to hold keep doing it and if it disconnects call and do it again, they will pick up! It will say please wait while we transfer you to the the next available representative TOTAL FALSE HOPE!!! You have to continue to press 0 to continue waiting. For EDD disability 1(800) 480-3287 Thought Id pay it forward just as I got the help I need from here Thanks again. If the operator says welcome to just hang up. I missed the call and the lady left me a message telling me the exact time/day of when her next call to me would be and that the number would show up blocked. As mentioned, if the automated service starts with thank you for calling hang up. Called the 833 number repeatedly from 8am to 8:50 and finally got through. Hit 1 I followed this from below today 5/31/2018: I called today 3/6/18 to SDI 1800-480-3287. Do you have to live in Sacramento to call the Sacramento number? Good luck. I filed 2/12/21! Rainbow Six Siege (2015) | Excellent Gameplay Under One Mode But Fails To Impress, Limited Content, No Respawn, No Team Deathmatch, Nintendo To Release Five Mobile Games Starting In 2016, Valve Implements New Anti-Cheat Policy Into Steam, Giving Ban Power To Game Developers, Triple 9 (2016) Movie Review | All-Star Cast With Great Action Scenes But Random With Plot Holes Leaving You Wanting More. Thanks again. This guide covers how to call and reach a human at the EDD disability phone number. I tried all the key press combinations mentioned above but only 1-6-7-*-7-2-SSN-1 worked and I was disconnected by too many people waiting over and over again. I tried another 5-6 times until the call went through and I was on hold for about 3 min and finally I was able to speak to someone that answered my questions.. JLO, you are a blessing in the sky. 415-351-7200 (San Bernadino) Huh? Tell them you want somebody from the ID department to call you back. All of that on top of people that have not worked in 5 or plus years ( give or take ) that should not have been eligible in the first place adding to the large amount of people that actually did become unemployed as a direct result of government restrictions. The phone numbers to call EDD remain the same: 1-800-300-5616 for UI Claims Support 1-833-978-2511 for UI General or Technical Support Fixing the EDD call center wait times has been an issue. the combination 1671 worked for me thank you. If YOU HEAR WELCOME PRESS #, DO NOT ENTER ANY NUMBERS JUST IMMEDIATELY PRESS # AFTER HEARING WELCOME. I had to press 0 over and over at the message that said our representatives are currently busy please stay on the line or call back later and was on hold for about 1 hour. All I want to say is this THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! Also the claims department is open from 8am to 8pm, 7 days per week, not until 12pm. Thank you again for this useful article. After 5,000 numbers and a long 3.5 hours I was able to get to a live representative! Lord please help me. I did it maybe 8 times and finally i got to put on hold for the representative. The 415-351-7200 number worked for me too! Thanks these numbers still work. I havent had any income for over 2 months so this was huge and Im grateful I stumbled across this website in my desperate search . Good luck. Hold time of one minute. I havent been called back yet, going on 4 days. Try back later. 415-351-7200 ftw!! 1st time i got hung up on after 40 min hold. Talked to a representative. Thanks Much! Hold on the fins as well for adjustments. Thank you for this! I called it on monday and a lady said they would call me back and its been 5 days now. Option 1: Benefit Payments Option 2: SDI Online Help Desk Option 3: Disability Insurance Information Option 4: Voluntary Plans Option 5: Elective Coverage for Business Owners or Self-Employed If you need assistance with: Paid Family Leave, call 1-877-238-4373. Press 1 Press 2 Wait 30 seconds (another voice message you cannot miss, but it takes about 30 seconds this time). They asked for my SS # and transferred me. They operate from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. PDT. I go to the EDD website and I cant even submit a claim form tells me to call them phone numbers. This may help for people who have more generic questions. GUYS DONT GIVE UP AND CONTINUE TO CALL THE NUMBER! NO WAIT. Combination 4: 1-6-7-3. FYI: The following numbers listed in the main article are now disconnected: 530-741-4151 Can you imagine how much worse it is now? If you contact State Disability Insurance (SDI) using our toll-free phone numbers, staff is available from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. (Pacific time), Monday through Friday, except on state holidays. I have tried this but I still only get the too many callers response yet again. 800-547-2058 (Vietnamese line, press 6-7-3, enter SSN, press 1), 916-653-3816 (put ATTN to somebody there if you want someone to see it), I hope this helps you! I proceeded to enter 1-5-1-1-0 suggestion and it worked. 1-1-* Amy please help me! As of today (July 2) the numbers that worked for you (415) 351-7400 plus xxx-7401, 7402 are all now providing a this number is disconnected or no longer in service message. FIRST TRY!!! It is true! Getting through to a live person, a real human at EDD: Chances are you will have questions or need help filing your California Unemployment claim, plus you will have to have at least one initial telephone interview. The Sacramento Disability number listed above, 916-654-0453, is no longer in service (at least that is the automated message I got. Hope this helps!! I called this number and got right through to someone. 5/9/2020-5/9/2020-5/16/2020-5/30/2020 on these dates my claims went threw I got my confirmation # and everything but on STATUS It says pending! If you are the caretaker of a disabled person or are age 65 or older, you may be eligible for SDA. I held for only 3 minutes till Alexandra picked up. Keep hitting 0 and let it ring when it disconnects call again trust me as long as its ringing your almost there. Id been trying for 2 days to the 800 number. 7 million in California over a four-week period the EDD expanded its phone service hours from 8 . It went to hold music. The 1-3210 combo worked to get to the point where they say the maximum number of callers has been reached and then hang up. I dont know if I get to people faster but I dont have to listen to excessive instructions. There is a chance of getting through after 12pm, but probably not. This is bull! im in the same boat as you.Ive have been on hold now with this department for an hour and a half. ,banks and no problem talking to anyone . I heard the music at 9:45 AM and at 10:24 AM the call was finally answered. 833 number worked. You will hear one of two messages, starting with Thank you for calling, or Welcome to. The lady I spoke with gave me a working fax to avoid mailing. Then they call a. Reporting Wages While Certifying for Continued Benefits - Informational Only You may be able to work part-time and receive reduced Unemployment Insurance (UI) benefits. Your PIN must be four digits long, and it cannot be: Calls to California's Employment Development Department disability insurance call centers surged to 12 times their normal volume in late 2021 and early 2022 as the department dealt with fraud. Chances are you will have questions or need help filing your California Unemployment claim, plus you will have to have at least one initial telephone interview. You can try one of the following key combinations on each prompt. Considering I gave my information, I have been extremely nervous ever since. I ALSO MAILED IN ALLL OF MY PERSONAL INFO, AND THIS WAS WELL OVER A MONTH AGO. When I tried calling back it said the office is currently closed Can anyone help me get through? Thank you so much for this helpful page! I called the 714-687-4400 (Orange County) and after holding for about 10 minutes, someone answered and said to call the 1800-300-5616. skidmark has a hand in.. what a joke a of a system.. pathetic at best..been waiting for a rep for an hour. 5/5/20- i just got off the phone i tried the 415-351-7200. and it worked for me after trying to contact EDD since April 1st I finally was able to get someone on the phone and she was the sweetest person in the world her name was AJ. ago [removed] that number combo worked on th 2nd try. He said: ok dont hang up. CLICK. It took me about an hour to get my issue resolved because the first rep gave me brief but unclear information. Just wondering how true that is? And for issues with claims and payment inquiries it will be 1, 2 and then 4 @ 18003005616. it took a few tries but i only waited 5 minute. Thank you! *or should i hang up and keep calling (sorry typo). 213-477-1402 He pretty much carried out the phone interview right then. Stay on the line and you will hear music. Person who uses a wheelchair. I just keep doing it continually! By the way, with the new UI Online system, if youre having problems logging in, you have to create a new account using an alternate email address! my I.D. 909-383-4663 (Pomona) Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! I hung up and immediately repeated what I did. I was just able to leave my number for them to call me back by using the 1 6 7 3 route. 213-477-1407, 310-330-5905 California's Employment Development Department has been blasted for withholding payments, using antiquated software and being duped by criminals by the very lawmakers now dedicated to helping fix. Log in, then select Contact Us to get started. I finally reached a live human being only to be told that my account is active and I do qualify for unemployment but I need to call the technical assistance Department to set up my account dont know what that means but as the representative was giving me the phone number for technical assistance the phone shut off because after all its noon and they close at noon. WHAT TO DO IF THE EDD DOES NOT CALL. No wonder CA is broke. right now is 8:30 in the morning and almost 50 tries of phone calls. Select one of the following options to contact the EDD. However, there are tips and tricks to getting through to a real person so that you can speak to a real human at EDD. In addition to the main line, she suggested physically going into my local EDD office. Why did i not find this before. I am in Orange County California. Good luck everyone. Your email address will not be published. Do you have the contact info for the state rep you mentioned here? Next I tried 1-2-1-1-7 and it asked for an EDD Acc # which I did not have yet. Sending good vibes to everyone! For information on local SDI offices, visit our Office Locator. The line was picked up immediately, I gave my social security number, and the guy on the other end said, Ill connect you to your interviewers extension. Three minutes later I was all set. Though she wasnt authorized to do everything for me, she gave me all of the info I needed to get things done and even helped ease some of the concerns I called with from not being able to reach my interviewer again (they called me at 11:50, and then hung up on me at exactly 12:00 pm when they close). Thank you. It might take a couple of hours, but somebody will eventually pick up. I finally got through but they told me the same thing that someone would call me back. After waiting about two to three minutes, I was able to speak with a representative who set up a phone interview for me to help certify for several weeks of benefits that I did not receive. I also called 916 654 9140 and got direct to EDD office. I dont think is is the EDD as they have continued to constant hire people to be able to fully assist. I reached a gracious woman who asked for my SSI and saw I was out of money. Funny that all of us can walk into store , hospitals , D.M.V. And I also sent a note to the Governor as one comment suggested. OKAY GUYS I JUST FINALLY HAD MY PHONE CALL WITH AN LIVE REPRESENTATIVE! Pick your language, enter the phone number. This message is given when too many people are trying to call in. I was sooooo scared I would get disconnected! Thank you all so much. The lady was nice, but what a waste of a morning. A womans voice comes up. Currently doing this now, this is for SDI: It is too bad we cannot listen for the prompts and get a real person. it took 35 minutes to get through and while the lady was kind, she could not process an unemployment claim (only disability claims). 8 weeks certified weeks showed pending as the status online. Good luck! The 310-330-5905 number was given to me by someone on the 833-978-2511 number after I got through to them yesterday. I started calling at 8 this morning, dialing various numbers. Doesnt he know whats going on here?! I am self supporter and have a mtg payment and bills and now created a late charge on my home I never was informed please help I will never be able to catch up financially. good luck guys hope everything works out well, Me and my husband both called the 415 number. Thank you so much!!!!! Because everyone putting up with it ! 916-654-0453 (Sacramento Disability Office) & then call back immediately & repeat the same steps. Update: The info I gave in my previous comment is for reaching the help desk. They put me on a call back list for the 3rd time now. Hours: 8am to 12pm Pacific Time 1-5-1-1-0 worked for me, and the wait time was only 1 min. Lea este artculo en espaol. I made my way through the Vietnamese Prompts but the person hung up on me as soon as I start talking. Anyway, as mentioned, she does not have access to claims. You got really lucky you got through, 99% of the time the main number does not work. But our money is given to those that sit protected by these unfortunate walls This morning, right at 7:55 am I tried the San Francisco number 415-351-7400. The person Im speaking with is super friendly, she has sort of a thick accent so its a little hard to understand a few words here and there, but its a million times better than calling that number repeatedly, hitting a bunch of numbers, and then being told that the queue is too long and to try again later. Kept getting that darn Max number of people! FYI, the standard processing times are 3 weeks but, due to the circumstances, most things are going at 6 weeks. THANKS! Good luck. The 1800 number isnt working and I call as 8 am on the dot and it already says maximum callers and hangs up. Super nice man named Matt picked up. I am so tired of this and not sure what to do 2 months Ive been waiting. Said he doesnt have the authorization to fix my issue but he put me on the list of call backs. Ive tried 1 877 238 4373 with options 124 to get into queue but its always full. And keep pressing 0! EDD is open up and down the state ,they say appointment only but they have no one given an appointment.They cant see us , rarely do they pick up a call and the online system is just another run around that hits another wall . Worked! Call 800.480.3287 and then once I heard the message Thank you. I entered 1-3-1-2-2-2-0 and got to a live person right away. ANY of the direct case worker numbers (213-477-140x). If you hear the message starting with, Thank you for calling, hang up the phone because you will never get through to a live person. IT WORKED!!! The stats state only 1 in 1000 people actually get though and during this COVID-19 Pandemic there are 600,000 backlogged claims. I got through and the spoke to me in English. Ive been trying through again yesterday and today, no luck yet. How did you contact them? Call in again and request another call back. However, getting through to a real, live human being at EDD if you missed their call can be near impossible. I have been pulling my hair out trying to reach a live person for CA SDI. Just wait till a few words are spoken in the foreign language and it will have been enough for you to begin with the sequence one at a time and after you get to the zero, a foreign person will speak to you and once you start speaking English, they just transfer you right over to a live English speaking person and they will not even question why you called the Vietnamese number. I live in the L.A area and Mann trust me people this is legit!! And I started using this trick at 4:38pm PST. Do not use. Now I am holding waiting for the next representative to help me! If EDD calls claimants, the caller ID may show "St of CAEDD" or the UI Customer Service number 1-800-300-5616 from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. The prompts are all in Vietnamese, but I followed the prompts above. Sylvia at the San Bernadino number (415-351-7200) was so sweet and helpful! Thank you very much! yellow sky sunset. Its a chore but you might as well give it a shot. When someone answers just state your calling regarding your Disability , you will be transferred to the Disability Dept. Dont even try the 800 numbers, they will get you nowhere. Pressing 1 for English and then 3210 totally works! Hope this helps someone else, Finally got through! This is very frustrating. SoI dialed the expanded online assistance # (833-978-2511) several times, pressed different # combos, no luck. Wow! I went to this link, saw your post and got human immediately! Got through quickly today, just had to wait after getting through.perhaps 30 minutes.. ***Direct line-833-978-2511 After all, California had the worst unemployment long before the shutdowns. Trust me, read the article before trying to dial. She was really helpful and got my application started. Oh, by the way, she also said as soon as you send EDD an email inquiry regarding your account, Which I did daily, it automatically suspends any activity on your account until either you call them or they call you. 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